Friday, June 8, 2012

Letter Bag: The Post Office

Welcome to today's installment from the Biblical Conservatism Letter Bag!  As you know, we get comments here at Biblical Conservatism on a regular basis. Some of the time they're intelligent, well thought out points, whether agreeing or disagreeing. Other times, they're barely points at all, or really really stupid points...and so entertaining that I feel it's worth doing a response post. Today, we've got one of the latter:

We have a comment from the post Death of a Mailman (As a Career):

You have little knowledge of the United States Postal Serivce , that much is apparent, so I think you need some information reguarding the situtaion in the USPS that makes it not an industry but rather a Constitutional Madated Service that Congress is suppose to build not destroy. Up untl 2006, the USPS was based since 1970 on a break even profit, loss and raising stamps every 3 years. And it worked well that way from 1970 until 2006. It also had a pay as you go retirment system for its Postal Employees that worked well for over 300 some years in our county. In 2000, 2001, the Postal Employees were made to pay in 15 percent more to their retirement funds , knows as Civil Service Retirment System and Federal Employee Retirement System. This was merely to balance the deficit of the coutnry, in other words as the 2nd largest Employer and a Federal Agency, it was though that the workers checks could be raided to balance the money spent by Congress. It was not going towards retirement but merely to balance the deficit, this was approved and acknowldeged both by the President and legislators from both sides of the aisle. Then in 2003, Congress was informed of overpayments made to the retiremnt systems, some 103 billion to CSRS ( since the postal service had fully funded it by 55 billion and was being charged another 85 billion) then 15 billion is estimated to the FERS.

So then congress was informed that an overpayment had been made to the 2 retirmeent funds, and could of legislated that back, but instead made a 3rd retirment not required of any other business in the USA, by law. legislating away since 2006 was a banner year of profits from the USPS, about 5 billion a year from 2006 to 2016, Tell me what other industry can afford that? This in fact was caleld the Postal Accountiblity and Enhancement law, which also gave bonues to the top execof the USPS , knows as Post Master General to short staff, and cut it to the bone due to the 3rd payment. A dirrect attack on middle class working Americans who had been forced to pay in more to balance the deficit. I dont thin there is any other ocmpany , doing this including fedex and Ups, since they have reaped the beinfits and made more and have also lobbied senators to do this to the USPS which is under the constitution. So this all started in 2006, which you can read about at /joygoldberguspsstress.pdf or AWPU 3800 libarry online under stress in the workplace or ongoing violition of the usps guidelines is creating a toxic work environment, copywritten 2008.

from there you can go to bill burras online and read misc. scroll down to the elevator section and read, then go to ALEC/Koch Cabal the Privitization of the USPS for Ups and FedEx. and gain furhter understanding of the USPS being sold down the drian, the workers being mistreatd and not having workers replaced due to retirement, and other issues, like time clock rings and sucides due to non staffing, plus deaths on the routes for delevering your mail. A manafactured crisis by congress to destroy workers lives, how chrisitan is that, or American ? Go to to read further. And as far as progress it sets our country back to 1912 before labor standards on the job existed.

Dear Mr. McFeely:

First of all, thank you for the Speedy Delivery. Secondly, if you're going to try to sound smart, you might want to visit the "libarry" to learn how to correct your "violition" of proper spelling and grammar.

Thirdly, and most importantly, you've got some really wrong concepts in your head. To start, the Constitution does not mandate the Post Office.  In the Constitution, Congress is granted the authority to "To establish Post Offices."  This is absolutely not the same thing as Congress being required to do it. As a matter of fact, the Constitution doesn't even require Congress to organize a national military. So yeah...not exactly "mandated."

Unfortunately for your beliefs, Mr. McFeely, the Post Office has lost it's usefulness.  We live in a free market country, and in that free market, two companies have risen up to be able to provide delivery of packages at a far more efficient level. Those companies are Federal Express (FedEx) and the United Parcel Service (UPS).  As a matter of fact, Congress has propped up the Post Office by disallowing FedEx and UPS from delivering letters as an option. 

Fact is there is really only a small handful industries that are best handled by government, and they are necessary protections like the police department and the military.  Considering that nobody's life, liberty or pursuit of happiness is protected by the Post Office, your argument holds zero water.  The only services that must be handled by the government are those that protect necessary freedoms. Otherwise, if a company cannot stand up to competition in the free market, they should be closing down.

Your comment about people committing suicide is just plain ridiculous. By your logic, nobody should every be fired from their job for fear that they might commit suicide.  I'm sorry, but losing one's job is often part of life. You apparently don't get how employment works. You see, a person sells their time and labor to a company.  They are paid for those services. The company does not owe anyone a job. Companies do not exist to give you a paycheck or to give you benefits. Businesses exist because an enterpeneur believes they can invest their money and make more than their investment back. They then often hire employees to help them create more products or service more people.

When a business is no longer making more money than they invest, that business closes down. Businesses become obsolete or become less successful than their competitors, they close down. It happens every day. The Post Office is no different. They are less efficient and delivering packages than FedEx and UPS, so they have lost the lion's share of that business. The Post Office has nobody to blame but themselves.

So, Mr. McFeely, I'm sorry that the Post Office has become obsolete, but it most certainly has due to it's own inefficiency. Besides, I think the displaced postal workers might find themselves a nice job working for FedEx or UPS once those companies are allowed to expand to deliver letters.


  1. summer reading suggestion , go to google books, look up The Post Office, its past record, its present condition and it potential relation to the new world era, Daniel Calhoun Roper, vice chairman of the tarrif commision and first assistant post master general. 1913 to 1917.

  2. where in the constitution is free market mentioned instead of congress establishing post offices? free market if for private companies, not federal agencies. unfortnaelty it was not just a lost job that my spouse had happen, in 2006 he became the only letter carrier due to the paea, and had a lack of attrition replacement due to 2 overpaid retirment funds, and died in 2007 after enduring that, this week there was another death of postal letter carrier on the route, and in april there were 3 in one week in chicago, since when did it become okay to take retirment funds and not let people have a pursuit of happiness, your convoluted thinking means that even senators are not owed their retirment, since they get that from the federal employee retirement system just like postal workers, who as you dont comphrehend pay in to it to have retirmenet so its their own money put aside for later use in old age, the concept of whoose money is it, after all, maybe should strike a note , this is not about conservative , this is a human being matter , and means you have not looked up the links or even read them before stating back , dr stephem muscarro who wrote the book beyound going postal even posted on the sucide of a usps worker due to stealing of time clock rings from his check in galstonia, nc, 2009. your lack of perception is due to plain ignorance .

    1. you fail to comprehend that the link to AlEC, is about lobby moneis being paid to destroy a constitutional federal agency for private companies, takeover, so if this happens, it will break the constitution, where then will the country be, and since you have not worked for the usps , you obviously have ties to ups or fedex, and state your conveservative unbiblical view point of money being more inmportant then men's lives, funny I think Jesus death was paid for by Judas also, something I am sure conservatively speaking has not occured to you, that the love of money and greed is destroying the usps, which has the biggest working force in the nation, for federal agencies, so whats next, selling out the department of defense for alkaida money? after all surely they are private business also , and then we could have a whole new world order via special delivery by the destruction of the usps.

    2. The United States Post Office was formed by Sam Adams and Benjamin Franklin as a means to win the revolutionary war, it predates the constitution and the forming of the nation, the continental congress wrote the constitution to form the country so now you are stating that conservatively speaking private business has a'right" to buy out federal goverment agencies, and congrees should allow that to do away with the constitution . Basically this is not conservative but an attack on every American in the United States .

    3. my spouse was former usmc, a patriot working for the united states postal service not a private compnay, he was a veitnam vet era usmc, who did not die in the war by having enemies attack or bullets, faithfully served, did his duty for his country , his life was taken from him not by bullets but corruption of the federal goverment who he was employed by and had labor law protecting health and safety on the job, he died because of overpayment in to retirement funds, and paying off by private companies wanting to destroy the government of the United States.

    4. up until 2006 , it took 4 workers for his post office, to do the mails, they are called full time regulars and part time flexibles, meaning a difference in pay , retirement benifits and health benifits, with the 2 retirements and overpayment of retirement money, meaning more the enough money for retirment , since it is still in existance and being deducted from postal workers checks even with a 3rd retirment fund coming in to play with the money of profits from the usps, he had one injured worker as well out for year, the routes for the town are aproximately 22 hours a day, that does not include putting up the mail and for sorting and delivery, so its about a 24 hours a day job, with the breaking of union contracts and laws, he was forced to do the work of 3 others in his postal office, and it was not his job to replace people , that comes from the us labor dept which is also being paid off and corrupted by ties to alec, so the push is to work people to death, and destroy the usps, and here in 1776 people were dying for what they beleved in to form our coutry with the help of the USPO, many gave their lives so private companies could live in freedom to earn profits in America, now the same companies want to buy off the govement to destoy the very freedom which American Veterens have delivered to them via their service to their country. Tell me if my spouse was conservative and I was, why I dont believe in destroying the Constitution for private companies to benifit , and why is my patriot husband dead due to their actions of making a law to robb the usps of its profits, when the very instution helped form the nation that they can be protected under for business . Who protects the postal workers as Americans who have been lied, cheated, and lost thier lives for private corporations who dont appreciate the very constitution they are under consertively speaking satan if the father of all liars and evil.

  3. Seriously, I get that your pet issue is the Post Office. But my friend the fact is you are blinded to reality because you have a vested interest.

    Now, for the hundreth time: The Constitution DOES NOT MANDATE THE POST OFFICE. Go read it, I'm begging you!

    The Musket Industry also played a huge part in the founding of our nation, as did the iron works industry. By your logic, we should keep those two industries around even when they are no longer needed.

    I appreciate your husband's service, I do. But your argument is beyond unintelligible. So beyond that I'm done with this conversation.

  4. obviously you just like to mouth off and not appreciate the mails or the small amount you pay for letters, you need to stop interpreting the constitution as an artical that is there to allow the destruction of the federal govt by the federal goverment, you are limited in uderstanding that the current situation came about due to retirment money first being made to pay in at a higher rate, overfunding retirment funds, by a congress member being lobbied by private companies, to destroy the usps, which is in the constitution and can be broken by the selling down the drain of a federal agency by congress members, since you fail to understand how the nation was formed during the revoltionary war, in which the constitution did not exist or the nation, but however the post office was formed in order to communicate and win the war, so both the nation could be formed and the consitution , then you are as stupid as your consitutents, that do not appreiate the freedeoms that have been founded by the uspo, and instead desrire to see those very freedoms destoyed including taking away of retirment money to set aside from profits that was not even neccessary, I suggest you listen to the recent talk by senator Johnson that has immeasurably more insight then you can possibly obtain, since he gave a recent talk on the usps to congress, and you sir are not appreciating anything , and could care less if my miltary postal spouse died, for the constitution and the usps, for it obviously that you wish to interpret the constitution as not applying to a federal agency and one that should be destroyed for private companies, instead of universal service to all americans and belive in profit and greed instead of treating postal workers as deserving ofa goverment position, so you probably would sell of the department of defense for alkaida since your lack of constitutional appreciation is abhorent and apparent.

  5. Your invention of the Constitutionality of the Post Office is the truly abhorrent thing. I've been more than respectful of the reality of your life and I respect what your spouse did.

    That doesn't mean we don't look at reality because someone has an emotional attachment to it.

  6. my spouse worked for 17 years in his last year of work he had two retirmeents in his small office and one injured, the labor department refused under health and safety laws on the job to replace retirees because of too much money in retirment overfunded by 15 billion dollars, then at the same time had another 140 billion in the civil service retirmetn system, added to that with a new law called the paea to make the post office pay in another 42 billion while postal workers had previously paid an extra 15 percent in 2000, 2001, for no other reason but budget, used the retirment money as a piggy bacnk worked my spouse to death and his pension goes back in , one that was for our old age only he never got to see the light of day for having to do something by law he was not required to do, the labor department is and by a mutually binding legal document put together by lawyers and arbitrators in dc, and you want to tell me a postal widow who now has no spoue and no retirment to depend on that the constitution is being followed on the building of post offices, instead they are being sold off to the nearest bidder to benifit private corporations over a federal agency by your reasoning the next thing would be to sell off our mitlary to the alkaida , and why should this happen by congress who is sworn to uphold the constitution, which was formed by the uspo in the fist place, they wouldnt even have a nation or a constitution without the aid of the united state post office, that is the reality of this, and you are advocating more deaths and sucides, not unlike the times in rome when people cheered when others who were belivers were thrown to the lions , that is your reality and mentaility, my husband deserved his retirment he had paid in to, and the other who retired before him was he to pay for them in his blood, in order to satisfy what , private corporations paying off and lobbying for over 10 years to see this happens in order so he could die as a patriot and marine that had fought for this nation in a time when others did not even care and went off to canada instead, you insult every miltary and veteren in this country, and it shtat is too emotional then I suggest you are not a indicidual that does not appreciate the land of the free and the brave that give all, I would of glady taken the abuse he did when he was in the miltary, for they were spitting on american soldiers then, and I married him anyway proud of his service to this coutnry, but his own congress members do not even appreciate the constitution and are draining the usps and the nation dry, this is american land of the pursuit of happinss, tell me how were we not saving for retirment out of his check, and why did he not deserve that for working his ass off in all kinds of weather, I have no retirment and no husband that is alive, and you stand by the process that is going on much like ceasar did in roman times blaming the christians did, I too was a conservative and believe is everything but this , maybe if it does effect you by death and loss you feel the outrage for not being safe in a govt job delivering the mail and letters and checks for business to survive, instead of bullents and the enmeies , my own country men have betrayed him and his life, and duty to his country, there is no invention even the legal society stands by the constitution on the forming of post offfices, you are the idiot that cant read it and apparnetly your bible reading is also the same.

  7. section 8 of the constitution means you are in not able to read.

  8. anymore then you understand mormism is close to paganism, and is a cult .so much for being a true christian following God , maybe you should study that for awhile but that right that must be on the moronic way the bible is changed and added to something strickly forbidden by the bible in revelations what else can you expect from a person who is not a true reciever of Godly mind .

  9. Who are you to declare who God is? Have you met him face to face on mount sinaie, for all I know your a morman too.

  10. On Section 8 - Congress has the POWER to establish Post Offices. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING "Congress must establish Post Offices."

    Article 1 Section 8 also authorizes borrowing of money. According to your logic, we should borrow money even if we do not have a deficit, because it's mandated or something.

    Words. They mean things.

    Honestly, I think you have a personal emotional tie, therefore nobody should ever change the Post Office ever ever ever. Doesn't matter if somebody invents a way to teleport packages and mail to people between themselves without an outsider...we must keep the Post Office because reasons.

    I am not looking at this from emotional standpoints. I am looking at them based on Free Market logic.

    I have zero clue why you're rambling about Mormonism. I'm not a Mormon nor do I consider it a valid denomination of Christianity (examples of valid denominations Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists, etc).

    Honestly, I have zero idea why you even bring this up.

  11. arguing sematics of the constitution, obviously you were there when they wrote to establish post offices and playing word games in 2012, with that founding father insight of the importance of its value is the same as taking apart scripture in the bible and anyalizing to such an extent to twist it to the meaning you want not what was inteneded, your words are without respect of any matter Gods word or the constitution that is how far you come lets us reason together from God actually is, and show exactly where your relationship is with God and country is at, the mormonism is over your head with the current canidate, perhaps your mind is not as enlightend with Gods spirit as you belive it to be. Asn I doubt if you know God is a conservative as you state, I am beginging to doubt you know him at all.Perhaps you want to change his words as well as the constution to suit your own personal matters instead of really believing in his powers not yours. Your free market logic is no where in the constitution and the post office is, how illogical you really are and as far as the deficit the post office was even over that in the early 1900, but the pay off is not monetary, it security in knowing the mails are provided everywhere , everyday even half of the worlds postal mail is deliverd by the USPS, why do you think they want to destroy it to get that global market and create one world order, obviously you follow blindly. There is more borrowed money from the postal retirments for the govt to use, and as far as mandated that is under the paea law, I am sure you recieve mail every day and undervalue it as you undervalue the miltary, and the constituion. you are obviously completly clueless.

  12. You're ridiculous. It's official. First and foremost, you're arguing that the Post Office is required in the Constitution then complaining that I don't know what I was talking about because I wasn't there.

    Look, I'm done. I'm completely done. You're entire concept is to talk in circles and make non-points that come down to the fact that you have an emotional connection to the Post Office that outranks anything else that anyone could ever say.

    Bottom line: We're done with this debate. I will be deleting any further comments on this subject from you. That's it. I refuse to try to have an intelligent debate with someone who absolutely refuses to debate on logic but instead uses circular points that are never made.

    You've been warned. I'm deleting future comments.


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